If South does bit a cautious 3D he is in the same boat, going off unless he gets the D’s right. Might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb as the old joke goes.
Regards,
Iain Climie
Iain ClimieOctober 26th, 2020 at 10:11 am
HI Bobby,
If South does just settle for 3D he faces the same problem (barring SA, S to K, CJ switch when he is straight off). Might as well go for the game bonus as it turns out.
Regards,
Hain
Iain ClimieOctober 26th, 2020 at 10:28 am
It really is Monday morning if I get my name wrong!
A V Ramana RaoOctober 26th, 2020 at 12:50 pm
Hi Dear Mr. Wolff
Perhaps west’s apprehension of south being prepared for a club lead is not that well founded. West should have led a club initially. Now, there is no inference for south regarding the spade holding of West and count of west’s distribution . South’s handling of diamond suit is left to dame fortune to decide. If he plays for finesse, he would make the contract and consider himself lucky and if he plays for fall, he would meekly go down
Regards
Iain ClimieOctober 26th, 2020 at 12:53 pm
HI AVRR,
Good point although perhaps South should get this right as he knows C are 5-2 or 6-1 so nudging the odds towards D being 1-3 not 2-2.
Regards,
Iain
Jeff SOctober 26th, 2020 at 1:45 pm
I responded too late to the Friday column to be noticed. My confusion in the last paragraph was that West playing the JD from Jx would cause any issues as South could just overtake in dummy and run the diamonds. Then there was a comment about South maybe playing West for the QD in that scenario and that is where I got really confused as the QD was with South in the column hand.
Was the last paragraph simply referring to an alternate hand where South did not have the QD?
Thanks!
jim2October 26th, 2020 at 2:04 pm
Jeff S –
I am not Our Host, but your last line is pretty much on the mark.
That is, the column text is reasoning that less probability was “lost” on the recommended line than might be expected, because some Wests might make that play in hopes that declarer was also missing the QD. In that case, declarer might play West for both honors and finesse the second round.
Iain ClimieOctober 26th, 2020 at 2:26 pm
HI Jeff S,
I think I put the comment on but Jim2 and your last comment are both correct. I’ll try to be clearer next time.
Regards,
Iain
bobbywolffOctober 26th, 2020 at 3:09 pm
Hi Iain or whichever name you chose to respond to, and if you were like me in my youth, anything but “late for dinner”,
No doubt our beloved competition often has surprises, such as possibly today’s game (3NT) which might make while a lesser goal, such as an attempt at a wimpy part score (3D), goes down.
Another smaller learning experience might be how often coming in the bidding will tip off a good declarer into making his contract while remaining passive will not.
Finally, a conclusion of as too often, “signifying nothing” will likely be the result.
bobbywolffOctober 26th, 2020 at 3:18 pm
To AVRR & Iain,
Well asked and responded, which question and answer is perhaps the most common reply used among strolling bridge lovers.
bobbywolffOctober 26th, 2020 at 3:34 pm
Hi Jeff S & Jim2,
Another back and forth to which, while during political season, I will acknowledge Jim2’s answer to Jeff S. as approving his message and thank both of you for dealing with it.
However, while speaking of politics and although barely stomaching its verbal presence, I strongly prefer the three full years in between, as opposed to the fourth, non-inspiring and somewhat sickening other.
Needless to say my opinion on waste of time and controversial conventions, both bridge and political party.
Jeff SOctober 26th, 2020 at 5:13 pm
Thanks to everyone for the feedback.
Speaking of bad years, Bobby, I do like the meme making the rounds along the lines of we moved the clocks forward on the weekend in March just after Friday the 13th. Now we are moving them back on the day after Halloween. So, maybe that will reset us to factory defaults. It’s a nice thought, anyway. 🙂
Iain ClimieOctober 26th, 2020 at 6:37 pm
HI Jeff S,
We do the same this side of the Atlantic although our clocks went back in the early hours of yesterday. The UK ditched this for a while in the 1970s but then took it back o. I like your hopeful approach though.
Iain
bobbywolffOctober 26th, 2020 at 7:14 pm
Hi Jeff & Iain,
Whatever we did in early March, someone or something began telling us, not to do it again.
Perhaps it is the same as not following virus protocol in order to protect the most and violate the fewest. In any event we need to form successful partnerships in life till death do us part.
No “Table up till its safe” nor virtual bridge till cheating becomes under control, unless those unconscionable swine,
become human beings! (sorry to those decent animals for using their name in comparison).
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Hi Bobby,
If South does bit a cautious 3D he is in the same boat, going off unless he gets the D’s right. Might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb as the old joke goes.
Regards,
Iain Climie
HI Bobby,
If South does just settle for 3D he faces the same problem (barring SA, S to K, CJ switch when he is straight off). Might as well go for the game bonus as it turns out.
Regards,
Hain
It really is Monday morning if I get my name wrong!
Hi Dear Mr. Wolff
Perhaps west’s apprehension of south being prepared for a club lead is not that well founded. West should have led a club initially. Now, there is no inference for south regarding the spade holding of West and count of west’s distribution . South’s handling of diamond suit is left to dame fortune to decide. If he plays for finesse, he would make the contract and consider himself lucky and if he plays for fall, he would meekly go down
Regards
HI AVRR,
Good point although perhaps South should get this right as he knows C are 5-2 or 6-1 so nudging the odds towards D being 1-3 not 2-2.
Regards,
Iain
I responded too late to the Friday column to be noticed. My confusion in the last paragraph was that West playing the JD from Jx would cause any issues as South could just overtake in dummy and run the diamonds. Then there was a comment about South maybe playing West for the QD in that scenario and that is where I got really confused as the QD was with South in the column hand.
Was the last paragraph simply referring to an alternate hand where South did not have the QD?
Thanks!
Jeff S –
I am not Our Host, but your last line is pretty much on the mark.
That is, the column text is reasoning that less probability was “lost” on the recommended line than might be expected, because some Wests might make that play in hopes that declarer was also missing the QD. In that case, declarer might play West for both honors and finesse the second round.
HI Jeff S,
I think I put the comment on but Jim2 and your last comment are both correct. I’ll try to be clearer next time.
Regards,
Iain
Hi Iain or whichever name you chose to respond to, and if you were like me in my youth, anything but “late for dinner”,
No doubt our beloved competition often has surprises, such as possibly today’s game (3NT) which might make while a lesser goal, such as an attempt at a wimpy part score (3D), goes down.
Another smaller learning experience might be how often coming in the bidding will tip off a good declarer into making his contract while remaining passive will not.
Finally, a conclusion of as too often, “signifying nothing” will likely be the result.
To AVRR & Iain,
Well asked and responded, which question and answer is perhaps the most common reply used among strolling bridge lovers.
Hi Jeff S & Jim2,
Another back and forth to which, while during political season, I will acknowledge Jim2’s answer to Jeff S. as approving his message and thank both of you for dealing with it.
However, while speaking of politics and although barely stomaching its verbal presence, I strongly prefer the three full years in between, as opposed to the fourth, non-inspiring and somewhat sickening other.
Needless to say my opinion on waste of time and controversial conventions, both bridge and political party.
Thanks to everyone for the feedback.
Speaking of bad years, Bobby, I do like the meme making the rounds along the lines of we moved the clocks forward on the weekend in March just after Friday the 13th. Now we are moving them back on the day after Halloween. So, maybe that will reset us to factory defaults. It’s a nice thought, anyway. 🙂
HI Jeff S,
We do the same this side of the Atlantic although our clocks went back in the early hours of yesterday. The UK ditched this for a while in the 1970s but then took it back o. I like your hopeful approach though.
Iain
Hi Jeff & Iain,
Whatever we did in early March, someone or something began telling us, not to do it again.
Perhaps it is the same as not following virus protocol in order to protect the most and violate the fewest. In any event we need to form successful partnerships in life till death do us part.
No “Table up till its safe” nor virtual bridge till cheating becomes under control, unless those unconscionable swine,
become human beings! (sorry to those decent animals for using their name in comparison).