I just went on Bridge Winners and found something about Giorgio Duboin. Do you know what is happening or are matters sub-judice there? I hope it isn’t a case of online misbehaviour; the EBU banned someone recently for (effectively) on line peeking.
Regards,
Iain
jim2November 17th, 2020 at 3:01 am
I would note that many multiplayer online games — like World of Tanks — have had to deal with a phenomenon called “stream sniping.”
Iain ClimieNovember 17th, 2020 at 11:22 am
Hi Jim2,
I looked that up – interesting but there is a subtle difference as far as I can tell in that game players can chose to make their decisions available (or not) for people to watch online, so the info is readily available. It would be a bit like declarer showing the opening leader his hand (or part of it e.g. the trump suit) at the end of the auction. So, what would be UI to a bridge player is out there and readily accessible to gamers. I would hope that I wouldn’t use the info in that position but, if the rules don’t explicitly forbid it, players will use the advantage.
Thanks for the info though – I had an interesting time looking at it.
Regards,
Iain
Bobby WolffNovember 17th, 2020 at 4:29 pm
Hi Iain,
Yes, in the case of Giorgio Duboin, it is definitely sub-judice and practically just getting underway.
As I am sure you know, with the world wide pandemic, playing high-level bridge, is basically being restricted to virtual, instead of face to face, allowing all sorts of ways to "beat the legal system".
It is somewhat tragic to me to hear of what you mention and do hope of something constructive to occur which will negate this supposed serious infraction to, not to have occurred.
However, and as always, at least in the last number of years, to which I have been out of the loop, I am not a main actor in investigating, much less rendering opinions, since I have no way of getting involved (perhaps good for me).
There have been countless scandals in Italy, most of which have been as crooked as charged (or perhaps more so), but that was past tense; however, I do know Giorgio fairly well, and am very startled and, although crossing my fingers, surprised — to say the least.
However and IMO, virtual bridge is a very poor substitute for the real thing, and cheating is so easy to fall victim to, but far be it for me to even mention an opinion on something I know practically nothing about.
Of course, most confirmed bridge addicts need their fixes, and, although not to me, others seem to settle for virtual; but to me it crosses the line to nothingness because, as I mentioned above, it is so easy to fall off the wagon of honesty. I do not need to participate and only frustrate myself if I suspect others succumb.
And now, after reading Jim2's post, cheating seems to raise its devastating head with almost everything competitive, including holding Presidential elections (USA), as well as so many world wide athletic competitions.
Reminds me of the old American joke, "Other than that Ms. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play"?
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Hi Bobby,
I just went on Bridge Winners and found something about Giorgio Duboin. Do you know what is happening or are matters sub-judice there? I hope it isn’t a case of online misbehaviour; the EBU banned someone recently for (effectively) on line peeking.
Regards,
Iain
I would note that many multiplayer online games — like World of Tanks — have had to deal with a phenomenon called “stream sniping.”
Hi Jim2,
I looked that up – interesting but there is a subtle difference as far as I can tell in that game players can chose to make their decisions available (or not) for people to watch online, so the info is readily available. It would be a bit like declarer showing the opening leader his hand (or part of it e.g. the trump suit) at the end of the auction. So, what would be UI to a bridge player is out there and readily accessible to gamers. I would hope that I wouldn’t use the info in that position but, if the rules don’t explicitly forbid it, players will use the advantage.
Thanks for the info though – I had an interesting time looking at it.
Regards,
Iain
Hi Iain,
Yes, in the case of Giorgio Duboin, it is definitely sub-judice and practically just getting underway.
As I am sure you know, with the world wide pandemic, playing high-level bridge, is basically being restricted to virtual, instead of face to face, allowing all sorts of ways to "beat the legal system".
It is somewhat tragic to me to hear of what you mention and do hope of something constructive to occur which will negate this supposed serious infraction to, not to have occurred.
However, and as always, at least in the last number of years, to which I have been out of the loop, I am not a main actor in investigating, much less rendering opinions, since I have no way of getting involved (perhaps good for me).
There have been countless scandals in Italy, most of which have been as crooked as charged (or perhaps more so), but that was past tense; however, I do know Giorgio fairly well, and am very startled and, although crossing my fingers, surprised — to say the least.
However and IMO, virtual bridge is a very poor substitute for the real thing, and cheating is so easy to fall victim to, but far be it for me to even mention an opinion on something I know practically nothing about.
Of course, most confirmed bridge addicts need their fixes, and, although not to me, others seem to settle for virtual; but to me it crosses the line to nothingness because, as I mentioned above, it is so easy to fall off the wagon of honesty. I do not need to participate and only frustrate myself if I suspect others succumb.
And now, after reading Jim2's post, cheating seems to raise its devastating head with almost everything competitive, including holding Presidential elections (USA), as well as so many world wide athletic competitions.
Reminds me of the old American joke, "Other than that Ms. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play"?