Hi Dear Mr Wolff
If west ducks the club lead too south makes the contract as defense would be restricted to four tricks. West defended well by hopping up A and continuing hearts and switching to clubs when the heart was ducked. And of course , doubledummy, both three NT and five diamonds make
Regards
Iain ClimieSeptember 15th, 2021 at 12:59 pm
HI AVRR,
Can’t 5D be beaten by CA then CQ (obviously double-dummy again)? Juggling the club spots, though, imagine North has CKxx and South 10xx (but no 9 and probably 8) while West has AQ9x or AJ9x. After an early diamond finesse, or even DA and another, West can lead the Q or J of clubs then a small one if the first honour is ducked to give South a ghastly decision.
Regards,
Iain
A V Ramana RaoSeptember 15th, 2021 at 1:09 pm
Hi lain
Yes, I meant if west refrains from leading club ( in five diamonds). It was there in my mind but did not appear in the post
Thanks and regards
Iain ClimieSeptember 15th, 2021 at 1:09 pm
The latter possibility is against 3N of course…
bobbywolffSeptember 15th, 2021 at 2:56 pm
Hi Iain & AVRR,
Yes, 100% right in practicality, but double dummy should mean the ability to see all four hands (only accomplished by four known methods, 1. prematurely seeing the hand records, 2. with the opponents being extremely careless (rarely), peeking at both the opponents hands, 3. cards not shuffled from the previous duplicate, 4. overt cheating.
Of course while defending against 5 diamonds or instead 3NT, different leads would be made, certainly the queen of clubs against 5 diamonds
when knowing the NS layout and instead a heart against 3NT (unless both pairs were wired, and then, while playing against the column declarer,, the defense mentioned above after the 2nd heart was ducked).
The reason for discussing this sordid subject surrounds itself how cheaters operate when confronted with their evil art, and especially to judges who know little to nothing about bridge, especially the expert game, which indeed renders their hoped for good judgment into nothingness, rendering the proposed law enforcers virtually useless, with usually (almost always) them being too ego involved to admit it.
IOW, our cherished game needs a so-called jury to be made up of high enough level players (with good enough reputations) to understand the above necessity, without which, could eventually mean, the total elimination of our sensational game, into smoke.
Similar, but not identical to steroids used in baseball, but much easier to understand and therefore prosecute, because of medical professionals together with results with would be users, allowing justice to triumph (but even then without some to much trouble, with proving it).
Finally, in bridge, top level players do know who is cheating and who is not, but our game is unlucky enough to not be in the same righteous position as baseball (and other sports) regarding the use of illegal substances,
opposed with instead, illegal activities which, if allowed in bridge will severely mean the end of our game forever, unless we are given the right to impose severe enough penalties (forever banishment or close as well as large money fines in today’s professional bridge environment to make up for not instead, sent to bridge prison) in order to bulldoze those horrible miscreants to what they deserve.
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Hi Dear Mr Wolff
If west ducks the club lead too south makes the contract as defense would be restricted to four tricks. West defended well by hopping up A and continuing hearts and switching to clubs when the heart was ducked. And of course , doubledummy, both three NT and five diamonds make
Regards
HI AVRR,
Can’t 5D be beaten by CA then CQ (obviously double-dummy again)? Juggling the club spots, though, imagine North has CKxx and South 10xx (but no 9 and probably 8) while West has AQ9x or AJ9x. After an early diamond finesse, or even DA and another, West can lead the Q or J of clubs then a small one if the first honour is ducked to give South a ghastly decision.
Regards,
Iain
Hi lain
Yes, I meant if west refrains from leading club ( in five diamonds). It was there in my mind but did not appear in the post
Thanks and regards
The latter possibility is against 3N of course…
Hi Iain & AVRR,
Yes, 100% right in practicality, but double dummy should mean the ability to see all four hands (only accomplished by four known methods, 1. prematurely seeing the hand records, 2. with the opponents being extremely careless (rarely), peeking at both the opponents hands, 3. cards not shuffled from the previous duplicate, 4. overt cheating.
Of course while defending against 5 diamonds or instead 3NT, different leads would be made, certainly the queen of clubs against 5 diamonds
when knowing the NS layout and instead a heart against 3NT (unless both pairs were wired, and then, while playing against the column declarer,, the defense mentioned above after the 2nd heart was ducked).
The reason for discussing this sordid subject surrounds itself how cheaters operate when confronted with their evil art, and especially to judges who know little to nothing about bridge, especially the expert game, which indeed renders their hoped for good judgment into nothingness, rendering the proposed law enforcers virtually useless, with usually (almost always) them being too ego involved to admit it.
IOW, our cherished game needs a so-called jury to be made up of high enough level players (with good enough reputations) to understand the above necessity, without which, could eventually mean, the total elimination of our sensational game, into smoke.
Similar, but not identical to steroids used in baseball, but much easier to understand and therefore prosecute, because of medical professionals together with results with would be users, allowing justice to triumph (but even then without some to much trouble, with proving it).
Finally, in bridge, top level players do know who is cheating and who is not, but our game is unlucky enough to not be in the same righteous position as baseball (and other sports) regarding the use of illegal substances,
opposed with instead, illegal activities which, if allowed in bridge will severely mean the end of our game forever, unless we are given the right to impose severe enough penalties (forever banishment or close as well as large money fines in today’s professional bridge environment to make up for not instead, sent to bridge prison) in order to bulldoze those horrible miscreants to what they deserve.