A minor trap for the defence. At least one of East and West mustn’t echo imn spades. if they both do, South can take the second spade with the 8! The dentist’s coup fails if spades are 3-1 (East having the singleton) but then I suspect everything fails.
Regards,
Iain
Iain ClimieJanuary 31st, 2022 at 2:19 pm
HI again,
Also, on LWTA, is there any serious alternative to pass? 4S perhaps, quite possibly walking into a 5-1 split or 4N for choice of minor when 4S might be the last making spot. Still, that’s why people pre-empt.
Iain
Mircea GiurgeuJanuary 31st, 2022 at 2:31 pm
Hi Bobby,
Is it better for South to bid 2S instead of 2H?
Also, what would be a double of 4D by North if South bid 2H or 2S?
bobbywolffJanuary 31st, 2022 at 3:20 pm
Hi Iain,
Yes, and couldn’t one imagine a live kibitzer seeing both opponents throw away (what they thought were worthless values in spades) only to have declarer being able to recover the contract she had now blown, both in the bidding and definitely also the play.
Bridge may have lost some players, merely by the thought of such a travesty. However a new coup (at least in honor) may have developed, but in the naming, the word suicide will always need to be included.
IMO, there is really no serious alternative to pass, although some may consider it, the masterminded type player, that is!
For that matter, I would not lead the ace of hearts, but guess between the unbids with an aggressive low spade perhaps winning the raffle
Texas born cowboys like to die with their boots on, therefore seizing a bolder choice.
bobbywolffJanuary 31st, 2022 at 3:33 pm
Hi Mircea,
Yes 2 spades, not 2 hearts is easily the recommended response, although then ready to accept all invitations thereafter.
Although some experienced partnerships may play double differently, without discussing it before hand, I would think the double, after partner raised in spades would be primarily penalty, but when and if partner bid 2 hearts, merely says, “I think it is our hand partner, so I am leaving it up to you to make the next mistake of what to do, but before you do, do not expect me to necessarily have a trump trick, only a hand without a sure trump suit for our side, in tow”.
Iain ClimieJanuary 31st, 2022 at 3:35 pm
Hi Bobby, Mircea,
For that matter, South could correct to 4S here – but then there’s not much of a story. I suspect on te main coliumn hand, West took a cautious approach because of the lack of outside shape and the fear of -800. I suspect I’d have bid 5D though.
Iain
bobbywolffJanuary 31st, 2022 at 5:28 pm
Hi Iain,
West was probably taken by the manufactured discipline expected for the partner of a bidder, to once deciding on the maximum amount of preempting (4 diamonds instead of 5 in this case) to then follow through with that implied promise.
However, at least to me, if ever a hand called for a full blown jump to 5 diamonds (even while vulnerable, extra trump, leaving minus defense), this was it.
Leaving bridge discipline to a future of choosing the right maximum level to begin with, rather than to be washy-wishy, a backward leaning if there ever was one.
So much for probing into some other person’s responsibility.
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Hi Bobby,
A minor trap for the defence. At least one of East and West mustn’t echo imn spades. if they both do, South can take the second spade with the 8! The dentist’s coup fails if spades are 3-1 (East having the singleton) but then I suspect everything fails.
Regards,
Iain
HI again,
Also, on LWTA, is there any serious alternative to pass? 4S perhaps, quite possibly walking into a 5-1 split or 4N for choice of minor when 4S might be the last making spot. Still, that’s why people pre-empt.
Iain
Hi Bobby,
Is it better for South to bid 2S instead of 2H?
Also, what would be a double of 4D by North if South bid 2H or 2S?
Hi Iain,
Yes, and couldn’t one imagine a live kibitzer seeing both opponents throw away (what they thought were worthless values in spades) only to have declarer being able to recover the contract she had now blown, both in the bidding and definitely also the play.
Bridge may have lost some players, merely by the thought of such a travesty. However a new coup (at least in honor) may have developed, but in the naming, the word suicide will always need to be included.
IMO, there is really no serious alternative to pass, although some may consider it, the masterminded type player, that is!
For that matter, I would not lead the ace of hearts, but guess between the unbids with an aggressive low spade perhaps winning the raffle
Texas born cowboys like to die with their boots on, therefore seizing a bolder choice.
Hi Mircea,
Yes 2 spades, not 2 hearts is easily the recommended response, although then ready to accept all invitations thereafter.
Although some experienced partnerships may play double differently, without discussing it before hand, I would think the double, after partner raised in spades would be primarily penalty, but when and if partner bid 2 hearts, merely says, “I think it is our hand partner, so I am leaving it up to you to make the next mistake of what to do, but before you do, do not expect me to necessarily have a trump trick, only a hand without a sure trump suit for our side, in tow”.
Hi Bobby, Mircea,
For that matter, South could correct to 4S here – but then there’s not much of a story. I suspect on te main coliumn hand, West took a cautious approach because of the lack of outside shape and the fear of -800. I suspect I’d have bid 5D though.
Iain
Hi Iain,
West was probably taken by the manufactured discipline expected for the partner of a bidder, to once deciding on the maximum amount of preempting (4 diamonds instead of 5 in this case) to then follow through with that implied promise.
However, at least to me, if ever a hand called for a full blown jump to 5 diamonds (even while vulnerable, extra trump, leaving minus defense), this was it.
Leaving bridge discipline to a future of choosing the right maximum level to begin with, rather than to be washy-wishy, a backward leaning if there ever was one.
So much for probing into some other person’s responsibility.